Mixed feelings
One of undergrads is joining our lab in the Fall as a grad-student. While we get along I'm concerned because much of the time he listens, but doesn't really "listen." Which means I have to re-explain or double check him a lot. This lands on my shoulders because the other grad-student whose is my year doesn't care and won't do it. I wouldn't have to care except that a lot of our stuff overlaps (or will in the future) and I don't want things messed up.
Number two is he is incredibly naive. Yes, I was naive when I came to school too, who isn't in some way? But he is extremely so, in many ways. He doesn't realize how his lab life will change once he is a grad-student (right now he has very little responsibility); how expectations of faculty including our PI will change, how to interact w/ fellow scientists/ speakers; (I just witnessed this at talk he came to two weeks ago), etc.
Number three I feel jealous. I know I shouldn't be but he is coming in w/ so many advantages I didn't have. I guess that is what happens when you (and my labmate) are the very first two students to make it this far w/ this PI. We have done everything together, finish our first projects, passed comps etc. Struggling our way through. Sometimes w/ very little guidance from our PI. Then this new guy automatically gets stuff. He is teaching a course this summer for the department, it is the same one I taught the last three years so I offered him use of my powerpoint slides etc. Of course no one did that for me, but I'm not irrational. Why make him do it all on his own, if I have stuff? I know that is my own fault but it isn't my sharing that bugs me, I would do that for anyone teaching that class, it is that I don't even think he will realize how much time I'm saving him.
Also, I just submitted my abstract for SfN and my PI asked to add his name as an author. I said NO. Maybe that makes me mean, but again I didn't have anything like that when I came in. Everything my name is on I worked on. He didn't help w/ the idea, run the animals, analyze the data, or do ANYTHING. Why should I add his name? So he can have poster authorship for his CV? At the end of the day we will be competing for the same stuff. I had to work tooth and nail for everything I have. Figuring out a lot on my own along they way. I don' t want to be petty but I also don't want to just hand this guy authorship, even if it is for a stupid poster. Eventually it will be a paper, and I did that work, most of if on my own when my labmate was in Hong Kong and I had to run the whole stupid lab by myself. There are only three authors, me, my labmate and the PI. I don't want to share credit. I did this work, I want credit. I have never been this way before, usually I'm happy to share, but this feels different somehow. Am I being unreasonable? My labmate said yes, so his name is on that poster (of course my name is too because I work on that project too, but since I wasn't first author I didn't care as much).
Anyway I'm trying to work through this. It isn't his fault and I know that he will get benefits simply because he is now following two senior students, something I never had. But, at the end of the day will he look "better, meaning more productive" because of our help? Will I look like less because he has more when starting out than I did? Blah I know we are all in the same small lab together so we should support each other. I want us all to succeed. I just don't want people to think he is so fabulous when he is just ok. Ew that sounded mean, but it is true.
Number two is he is incredibly naive. Yes, I was naive when I came to school too, who isn't in some way? But he is extremely so, in many ways. He doesn't realize how his lab life will change once he is a grad-student (right now he has very little responsibility); how expectations of faculty including our PI will change, how to interact w/ fellow scientists/ speakers; (I just witnessed this at talk he came to two weeks ago), etc.
Number three I feel jealous. I know I shouldn't be but he is coming in w/ so many advantages I didn't have. I guess that is what happens when you (and my labmate) are the very first two students to make it this far w/ this PI. We have done everything together, finish our first projects, passed comps etc. Struggling our way through. Sometimes w/ very little guidance from our PI. Then this new guy automatically gets stuff. He is teaching a course this summer for the department, it is the same one I taught the last three years so I offered him use of my powerpoint slides etc. Of course no one did that for me, but I'm not irrational. Why make him do it all on his own, if I have stuff? I know that is my own fault but it isn't my sharing that bugs me, I would do that for anyone teaching that class, it is that I don't even think he will realize how much time I'm saving him.
Also, I just submitted my abstract for SfN and my PI asked to add his name as an author. I said NO. Maybe that makes me mean, but again I didn't have anything like that when I came in. Everything my name is on I worked on. He didn't help w/ the idea, run the animals, analyze the data, or do ANYTHING. Why should I add his name? So he can have poster authorship for his CV? At the end of the day we will be competing for the same stuff. I had to work tooth and nail for everything I have. Figuring out a lot on my own along they way. I don' t want to be petty but I also don't want to just hand this guy authorship, even if it is for a stupid poster. Eventually it will be a paper, and I did that work, most of if on my own when my labmate was in Hong Kong and I had to run the whole stupid lab by myself. There are only three authors, me, my labmate and the PI. I don't want to share credit. I did this work, I want credit. I have never been this way before, usually I'm happy to share, but this feels different somehow. Am I being unreasonable? My labmate said yes, so his name is on that poster (of course my name is too because I work on that project too, but since I wasn't first author I didn't care as much).
Anyway I'm trying to work through this. It isn't his fault and I know that he will get benefits simply because he is now following two senior students, something I never had. But, at the end of the day will he look "better, meaning more productive" because of our help? Will I look like less because he has more when starting out than I did? Blah I know we are all in the same small lab together so we should support each other. I want us all to succeed. I just don't want people to think he is so fabulous when he is just ok. Ew that sounded mean, but it is true.
Labels: authorship, new students
3 Comments:
At 3:23 PM,
PG said…
I know how you feel...I didn't pave the path in my lab the way you have in yours, but the senior graduate student in my lab was particularly unhelpful. But...I do believe in karma and that helping someone (e.g., lending PPTs) will be recognized in the long run. I don't blame you for refusing to give this guy authorship on your poster. I think people should earn their way when it comes to developing their CVs. I think you'll feel better about the new student if you see him working really hard.
At 9:49 AM,
B said…
Thanks psychgrad I'm sure that is true! I would never be specifically unhelpful either! In fact I've already trained him on a lot of things.
At 8:56 PM,
Anonymous said…
I agree with what you did. It's tough to have others getting an easier ride because of your hard work especially when their your (potential) competition.
I'd say it's a good litmus test of character in a way too, since you can see who really appreciates your assistance.
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